2009 June 30 at 02:10 eyerus

God bless you.

2009 July 12 at 22:32 by anonymous

If he is really a fraud, debunk him! I am sure he does not guarantee healing, for like he says he is not actually the healer but a tool for God. You will always have people to try to make others a fraud, for they do not want to believe divine healing is actual a reality, because there must be a God and that may not happen! Well, I know it is true, my wife's back was healed from her scrutinizing pain after she was layed hands on.....you are losing out! ;)

2009 August 02 at 18:17 by anonymous

A pity the writer feels that way. If you do your research properly, you will find that the people that are healed often come back to the ministry after being to their doctors for confirmation. They then bring the confirmation of healing with them. Try looking a bit deeper before bashing people over the head. You'll get a lot further and people might actually take you seriously.

2009 August 28 at 15:10 by DAWID BOSHOFF

i just want to say to all you guys out there, that if you dont believe or if you do believe, dont doubt the works of GOD, dont speak against any annointed person of GOD leave the judgment to HIM, and then further more if you guys out there dont beleive in GOD stop debating HIM be very careful for the wrath of THE MOST HIGH GOD HE is not your playmate and like i said HE will judge BLessings D

2009 September 10 at 02:21 by anonymous

I HAVE HAD TOO MANY MIRACLE HEALINGS TO EVEN CONSIDER YOUR DOUBT. SINCE I CAN'T SAY GOD BLESS YOU TO YOU, I'LL SAY GOOD LUCK TO YOU.

2009 September 29 at 08:30 by Jaco

Hi auke,

I j ust want to tell you God loves you no matter what you say or do. How you feel cannot change the the way you feel. I have nothing to gain nor nothing to lose. I just know that god = good and i would like to bless you with a message that god really wants to bless you just try it and say god if you really are actually here, show me. God will show you supernaturally and conquer all your doubts, in your weaknesses his strenght is perfect. You should have a nice day. You will never know until you try the water of eternal life.

Believer

2009 September 17 at 09:44 by Jane

Hi Auke, National Geo had a guy in India investigating and exposing all the fakers there, fakers who didn’t hesitate to take the last penny from poor people to “heal" them!

Wouldn’t it be a great idea to have an investigator like that in South Africa ;-)

Test cancer, diabetes, HIV candidates beforehand and afterwards and see for them selves!

It was also interesting for me to find out that Christianity wouldn’t have become as large a group, as their target market were the poor and helpless, other religions (if I remember correct) Judaism were more for the up market and didn’t show the same growth!

Dawid and Anonymous, why is it, if you guys watch a Science fictions movie, you decide it is crap but if you watch a Dvd on healers it is absolutely believable???

How come you watch a Magician, you know it is only eye blind, but if you watch a healer, it is “god all mighty’s" work???

2009 September 21 at 00:23 by Willem Smith

It is very easy to just criticise things you do not understand. I was personally diagnosed with congestive heart failure with a left ventrical ejection fraction of 24% and an enlarged heart that was effectively useless on one side. The main artery into my heart 100% sealed off. The only hope according to the doctors was a heart transplant. 4 yrs ago I attended a meeting in Stilfontein. Two weeks later the doctor took me off all medication and could find no deformity or irregularity in my heart. I thank God every day for healing me and allowing me to look after my family. If you don't believe in miracles don't worry you will never receive one. By the way God's miracle in my life cost me nothing other than the travelling costs and the breath to thank Him for His grace and love.

2009 September 23 at 00:01 by Todd Meyer

I had a problem at first with watching Kobus healing. I live in America and we have false teachings here all the time. I must say that Mr. Van Rensberg has gift at delivering the WORD. It is one we don't hear in our churches. He is inspiring and encouraging and it comes from "The Holy Spirit". Kobus is a man of God's Love and really helps us see and understand what is being said. You shouldn't be determined to disprove his healing power. I once heard an Atheist say "you really have to hate someone to not share your faith with that person." Brother I wish you the best in your plight. I have no intention in changing your view and you should not worry about Kobus spreading the word and love of God.

2009 September 24 at 14:11 by anonymous

Touch not God's anointed, and do His Prophet no harm...

2009 September 27 at 01:01 by anonymous

Auke, obvious you are not a Christian, I am not saying that there are people who cannot make mistakes, but the healing through Jesus Christ is not imagination. It does happen that some might get sick again, sure, it happens if we do not walk in Christ. Many people thinks we are powerful,meanwhile something as small as a virus can force us down to the ground. My wife's back was healed, not through Kobus(I have never been to him) but Jesus. So it really works.....and lucifer gets his butt kicked all the time through using only the name of jesus Christ! For we are victorious over satan... All the best!

2009 September 30 at 14:31 by Ernst

A real miracle (that everybody would have to agree on) would be the growing back of an amputated leg or arm. Strangely, this miracle never happens, I wonder why? Maybe god does not like cripples?

2009 October 04 at 00:53 by Richard

I would expect magicians like Kobus to thrive in a country where witch doctors are accorded the same status under the law as medical school graduates. There is an over-abundance of superstitious nonsense in this country.

What I am interested in Auke, is your view on engaging these good Christian soldiers you encounter, like those who comment on your blog. I used to be pro discussion and try to engage them with rational argument, but it seems to me that this is pretty futile. Do you think it's worth making the effort? It seems so much easier to just mock them…

2009 November 02 at 22:44 by YULI

Auke Slotegraaf SHALOM !

PEACE BE UPON YOU!

ONE DAY YOU SHALL CALL UPON HIM!

YHVH IS WAITING AND WAITING FOR YOUR VOICE

YHVH SAID IF,IF,IF,IF,IF I YHVH HEAR YOUR VOICE AUKE

YOUR OWN VOICE AUKE.YHVH SAID, I WILL, I WILL ANSWER YOU!

SHALOM

IF YOU AUKE SEEK ME YHVH THE G-D OF ABRAHAM,THE G-D OF ISAC,AND

THE G-D OF JACOB. I WILL REVEAL MYSELF TO YOU AUKE.

REMEMBER THERE MUST BE DARKNESS BEFORE YOU CAN EXPERIENCE

THE LIGHT!IMAGINE BEING CAUGHT BY ONE,S OWN MEMORY WITH NO PLACE TO ESCAPE.YOU SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH AND HE SHALL REVEAL HIMSELF TO YOU.MELECH DAVID WROTE THESE WORDS YOU YHVH LIGHT UP MY DARKNESS.KEEP IT IN YOUR SOUL,BE AWARE OF EVERY MOMENT ,LISTEN AFFECTIVELY,THERE IS SHALOM PEACE IN THE MIDS OF A STORM.

2009 November 15 at 10:57 by Jeff Mills

I am sick and tired of you people who claim that this man is a false prophet. The majority of you are probably not even spirit-filled Christians! The disciples once saw people preaching the Word and asked Jesus what to do. He replied leave them they are not doing wrong. This man is preaching the Word. You go and do that as well and leave the rest up to Jesus.

2009 November 23 at 10:08 by anonymous

If the speak not according to the law and the prophets...they are liars! Even satan appears as an angel of light. Do not be deceived...many will rise up in these days and preform miracles!!???

2009 November 23 at 14:14 by Manie Blaniek

What made me lose faith in faith are the inconsistencies. Why does God (via Profit v R ) not heal amputees? Yet numerous times God promises:

If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. [Matthew 21:21]

If you ask anything in my name, I will do it. [John 14:14]

Ask, and it will be given you. [Matthew 7:7]

Nothing will be impossible to you. [Matthew 17:20]

Believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. [Mark 11:24]

The question, therefore, is simple: Are Jesus' statements in the Bible true or false?

Why is it that prayers are only said for those afflictions that medical science can cure or that can go into spontaneous remission? Go to http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/god1.htm

and read it all. Refute it then. Also go to 'Some Mistakes of Moses' (@ Internet Archive)

and refute what Robert Ingersoll wrote more than 130 years ago about the story of Moses.

The human being is a thinking being. The only one who can think of the future and 99% cannot accept that life ends at death. For them there HAS to be life after death. Surely it CANNOT be otherwise. I WANT to see my loved ones again. Next to the sex drive religion probably is the strongest yearning in human beings. Facts and objective reality are irrelevant to believers.

The point is you do not argue someone out of something he was not argued into ( like religion). Except for a few like me with an insatiable curiosity who asked and delved deep into questions about the origin of the Bible, the age of the earth, what the laws of physics teach us, and many other things. I was argued out of it by solid logic. By objective reality.

Vrede

2009 November 27 at 13:35 by Manie Blaniek

Read "The Faith Healers" by James Randi for a fascinating expose of these charlatans. The faith healers who were exposed as crooks went underground for a few years, resurfaced and are scamming their way to riches again. People WANT to be deceived.

2010 January 01 at 02:50 by Jesus Fan

Prophet Kobus v Rensburg is a true man of God. When he touched me i fell flat on my back and i experienced the most awesome feeling ever. and i was very sceptical at first. come and see for yourselfs. dont judge please. Jesus = King

2010 January 04 at 12:44 by Kobus

auke you are playing with fire turn or burn brother one day we will see if you are still as arrogant when you stand in front of the KING OF KINGS AND THE LORD OF LORDS JESUS CHRIST all the best for you and all your useless comments on this site

2010 January 20 at 12:34 by debbie

There is only one unforgivable sin in the Bible and that is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. I have been to Spirit Word Ministries church on a few occasions and the Holy Spirit is moving in a mighty way. I have seen miracles with my own eyes - people getting up out of wheel chairs etc. My mom-in-law had diabetes and was scheduled to have her leg amputated from the knee down. Thank God she was turned away at the door of the operating theatre, Prophet Kobus layed hands on her and prayed for her and her toe is healed, her diabetes is gone, she is totally healed and seems to be 20 years younger. There is no reason to doubt the move of God and the annointing on Kobus and Annelise Van Rensburg.

2010 February 02 at 03:27 by jokthan

Are you not tired of being an unbeliever? Jesus loves you and has all the power to help in your physical, emotional and spiritual challenges. One thing is sure whether you believe or not that God is and he rewards every act of faith. Look into yourself something cries and nothing can satisfy it but the God you have been pushing far for long. Jesus loves you. Iam happy to know that you are making it right with him now

2010 February 02 at 15:28 by Lettie Cilliers

Thank you Jesus for healing the prophet !!! I had an ulcer 5 years ago, I had it for 2 years, I was constand in pain, and was healed, going to one of his meetings he prayed over hankies, and on my way home I put it on my stomack and the pain left me, I actually felt the pain go through my mouth as I breathed out...sounds too good to be true uh ? Well it did happen, and I do not have try to impress anybody or put pressure on anybody to believe this...Jesus healed me through the prophet, and I am glad. If anyone likes to be in pain, go ahead, like it...as for me, I want to be in good health, good wealth, in the 'Place called There', I want to be called Son of God, I love being called a King, a Priest....Thank you Jesus for Prophet Kobus and his wonderful family who helped me through many struggles, and thank you Lord that I can hear the Word, and not a bunch of religion that drove me away from churh, for the world had much more to offer before I started to go to Spiritword Ministries. Thank you Prophet van Rensburg. Me and my family, truly, truly, deeply love you and your family and the ministry. And no, I do not give millions to the church so that he can buy cars, I give my tiths and offerings, for God says I must do it. And I can afford to buy pretty stuff, I can use nice perfume, I can fly to South Africa, I can help people in need, I can buy beautiful shoes...etc etc....because the Prophet showed us in the Word of God that to prosper, you must give....AMEN !! GO FOR IT, SPIRITWORD TEAM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2010 February 03 at 15:59 by joey

GO TEAM SPIRIT WORD!!!! AMAZING PEOPLE INSIDE AND OUT. I've known them for years and happy to report I have never been scamed of anything,it's ok Auke we understand.

2010 February 08 at 19:51 by anonymous

this guy is a fraud...a false teacher...read the bible from genesis to revela[t]ion... there is a judgement day...

2010 February 13 at 16:14 by izzi

Healing can happen spontaneously, or because of a firm belief - in oneself, in a god, or just in life. I have seen this happen. I believe it is part of our humanness - healing is part of the normal functioning of the body! It is also usual for people to have a desire to be ritualistic, religious and to have a sense of the mysterious and the magical in life. What is hugely disgusting is when this simple faith of people is used for gain by self-styled 'prophets'. That healed (or fake-healed) human body IS going to die, sooner or later.

2010 February 26 at 13:57 by Darwin.

Apparently we have reached an economic stage where religion and faithfulness is confined to those of the lower classes. Often i find, that the tools used by "PROFITS", tend to appeal to ones thirst for prosperity. "Come receive you blessing". Why is this blessing always of financial Bearing. I feel that the psychology behind being healed, is indeed faith. It is a persons choice to be healed, however they attribute it to a higher power. Mind over matter. The ambience set by the music, lighting, soft words of the PROFIT, and the persons subconcious expectations all add to the chances of being slain by the spirit. Arguing with believers seems to go nowhere. I think that we should move away from the archaic form of social control. The bible has become obsolete, and profits themselves realise this, so they opt to bend the word to suit modern needs. Do the believers find this acceptable? or is the bible unchanging?

2010 March 01 at 17:11 by noel

Hi.

You sound really jealous about the money offerings received by prophet v Rensburg? Do you realise that the money churches receive is out of free will (unlike doctors and medical institutions who milks you for every cent and you still sit with the bad news). People give because they want to and it makes them feel good. Maybe you should try giving a little to some organisation which you believe in. (And maybe you should become a doctor) Ok, im joking with you.

Peace bro!

2010 March 10 at 20:38 by Martin Foster

I think the body is influenced by the mind. Apparently more than 75% of illnesses are psychosomatic. The evidence is anecdotal in the healings taking place using various healers varying from Sangoma's to placebo pills. I will therefore not contest the healing claims. What I do wonder about are the beliefs in a God who demands a sacrifice of his own son in order to convince himself to allow himself to forgive us for sins that he placed upon us. It boggles the mind!

2010 March 16 at 13:33 by anonymous

you sound really bitter auke, maybe its cz you know that you can never misproove God and the miracles He does through Kobus and any other man/woman of God. No amount of writin an swearing will ever put God and His people down, His Glory will fill the earth and ul still b talkin. ur word has no power, only God's word has so u are fightin a fight u will never win, not even in a million years. u wasting ur time an energy, wy dont u just divert them to somethin that will add value to ur life, somethin that will perhaps make you rich, cz it seems like all u bitter about is that Kobus is rich and perhaps u not. Ya i know you will most probably swear at me,cz thats all you do, knock urself out dude, in the mean time I am happy an getting blessed through the Holy spirit of God, the same spirit that dwells in Kobus and heals people through him. I honestly dont see wat the whole point of this blog is, cz like I said u fighting a fight u will never win. maybe you bored, jus get a life then. and you have so much negative energy, i wouldn't be surprised if you also take it out on the people you love, the people around you, i feel sorry 4them 4 havin to deal with such an angry person. If you think that wat u doin will turn people away from God then u wrong, it actually makes unbelievers more curious about God and as they seek Him He will reveal Himself to them. See, you think you working against God bt you actually working for Him, God bless you for this man.

2010 March 24 at 09:55 by Laughing Man

I have just spent R26000 for 3 specialist medical doctors to say they don't know then go back to the GP and who then perscribes a R100 medication and the problem goes away. Maybe "Profit Kobus" would have been cheaper option.

Dear Auke, do you hate God or just the people that represent HIM badly(Hypocrites).

2010 March 25 at 11:40 by Peace

another pathetic "I hate people who work for God" website..sigh

You anti-God doing something real religion sucks man

2010 April 29 at 12:31 by anonymous

Ok...you got it all wrong. in christianity there arent SOME people who represent God through whom the rest of us must comminicate. When u become a born again Christian u establish a personal relationship with God and He can speak to you as well. So God speaks to all christians not just some, He speaks to those people who are willing to listen to Him and take His message to the rest of the world, so it cud be anyone who chooses to do so. He may reveal different things to different people who then have to communicate them to the rest of th world bt He talks to all of us and all of us as christians can minister the word of God if we want to. We can all heal the sick and get revelation knowledge and share it with the world jus like a lot of pastors and prophets do because we all have the same Holy spirit of God, its a choice u have to make, not just for the chosen few. And as a Christian I do not tell people about my relationship with God to persuade them so i can be more certain about my own belief like you put it. I can never be more certain about My God because He has proven Himself to me through his love and presence in my personal life. The reason I talk to people about my relationship with God is due to compassion, there are a lot of people suffering in this world when there is a loving God who is ready and willing to take them out of their misery if they acknowledge Him as the only true God and i want these people to experince the love and warmth of my God. for their own good, not mine cz im already enjoying the goodness of the good Lord.

2010 May 03 at 13:56 by CT

Prophet Kobus van Rensburg, is a true man of God. The word he teaches is truth and life. The healings are real, people always testify after thier healings. I pray that one day you will see the light and that you will start living, and continue living in truth. I don't see what you gain in criticizing a man of God who is doing good to people. Bless you.

2010 July 21 at 10:25 by anonymous

Auke. God loves u nd so do I. Prophet Kobus Luvs u 2 coz he is a man of God. believe wat u want, miracles are happening and we believing God for limbs growing, we have seen the blind see and other great miracles but its all by grace from God lf we could make it happen by ourselves well we deffinatly would heal the whole world in 1 day but watch the space, as scripture says, creation is longing nd yeaning for the manifestation of the Sons of God So Do U, I can feel the vacum in your Spirit (forgive me but its true)

"Prophet Kobus is just but 1 of the Sons of God that are being manifested in our day, there many out there some too simple in very remote places but still seeing God at work.

"Christianioty is life... u are wellcome man.. don be left out.. He created nd luvs U!!!!

2010 July 27 at 13:46 by anon!!

carnally minded people cannot comprehend that which is spiritual, same as the storty of nicodemus, you remind me of him, how can this be, how can that be....the main thing is, if you are so sure in your beliefs, why is there still a void in you life? you will probably deny it for 'pride' sake...ever heard the saying..pride before tha fall?...no amount of worldy matter can fill that that void that you have...and once this article is done..and you go into your room and when it is all quiet...and you lay down your head and shed those tears and ask why this and why that...remember this blog...it was a start to your enquiring mind...whether your motives are pure or not, you will get an answer soon enough to thos unanswered questions, the ones not even the most brilliant scientist cant answer...you are not of this world....but you cant deny that Jesus is King...even this message will make you cringe in you stomach and all amounts of hatred and unthinkable thoughts may bubble up in your mind...ask yourself...where do those thoughts come from...and who is controlling YOU!!...search your heart...and stop messing about, your fighting a losing battle..

2010 July 27 at 12:55 by IamwhatIam

Leave this Auke person alone, if you are fueling this article and you are a christian and this article upsets you, just ignore it, it seems as though he is enjoying everyone commenting and then having to totally disrespect people for there opinions or views is simply childish, leave this man to his opinions, but dont stop praying for him, this is the persecution you face as a true christian, I am sure that Kobus is laughing at this as I am if it even reached him....so ending comment, I dont mean to offend you if you an aetheist, I hope with all sincerity that you find what you are looking for, but next time rather pick on someone else that you actually have a 'valid' reason to speak negatively about instead of speculating things, GET YOUR FACTS IN ORDER BEFORE YOU GO RUNNING CAMPAIGNS ON RUNNING PEOPLE DOWN

2010 August 15 at 10:52 by Abrie

To the person who wrote this about Kobus.

IF all you say is not true,why don't you tell this to aal the people i KNow.

First you tell this to my other who,hace new kidneys,there is know way you can have simptoms back after a while,it's new kidneys.

Second you tell my friend who's child was medically declared dead,is alive and well know at this very moment.

Third my father has medical recors that proves his vocal cords were cut off during opperation years ago,now he speaks perfectly.

Just because you did'nt get a miricle doesnt mean no one else does.

If yoy feel so strongly about your point,make an appointed at Spirit minisrties and do a live debate with him on the air.

Thanks hope it gives you something to think about.

2010 September 11 at 06:57 by Rinze

Hi Auke, I assume ( which could be dangerous ) that you are either Dutch-born, like myself, or from Dutch descent. I come from a deeply religeous family which however does not blind me to reality. My mom once queried from some Dutch AFM friends about the fact that they remained standing, while everybody around them was on the ground ''slain in the Spirit''.

Their combined conclusion was that...daar zijn wij ( dutch people ) te znugger voor. Translated it would have the meaning...we are too sober-minded for that.

As i have the same argument as some comments above, re. growing of limbs, even just part of a thumb, to make a father more usefull to his family, my views are not well accepted in the Christian community.

I do however believe that Jesus was alive and well and performed all the miracles and wonders that are recorded in the Bible. Jesus performed these miracles to prove to the people of those days that He is the Son of God. I often wonder how many, or few, people would have followed or come to listen to Him if it were not for the miracles and wonders.

We now have the Bible to study and believe in, if one so desires, so miracles and signs and wonders are no longer neccessary as we believe by faith, and not by sight.

How many people do you think would travel to Stilfaontein if it were only to listen to the Word of God, and not for the fringe benefits. I find it sad that people are so gullible and so easily influenced to hand over their finances without investigating first.

Auke, goes you well and hopefully we will some day have a face to face encounter.

2010 September 25 at 01:45 by Fred

To Rinze and Auke

It's normally people like yourselves that God uses the most when you receive the truth. Auke you are in a good place in your life, because obviously you are searching for something better than you currently have, otherwise - Why this website?

If you really believed that God is imaginary, then why the need to defend that fact so strongly? Unless you are HOPING that someone can convince you otherwise.

It is evident to me that neither one of you have even had the guts o attend a meeting at Spirit Word Ministries, before criticizing. So I want to launch an official challenge to the both of you. If you are so sure of your facts why not be man enough o visit our ministry and speak to prophet Kobus yourselves (You will find he is very approachable) and then make your judgment. THIS IS AN OFFICIAL CHALLENGE!

To believe there is no God you need more faith than me, because you need to BELIEVE that everything came from nothing and nobody did it ! Wow man... God Loves you and so do I

Please take me up on my challenge Bless you !

2010 September 25 at 08:09 by Myth buster

The fool has said in his heart, "there is no God".They are corrupt...(psalm 14:1) Auke, I totally understand your situation. It's been said that some nocturnal animals have a hard time seeing certain objects during the day, which is true. In the same way also, atheists have a hard time seeing anything that opposes their atheistia view, and that's because they are not very different from the mighty owl and co. "..the light shines in the darkness, and darkness did not comprehend it"(John 1:5) I'v never been 2 a Pr. Kobus meeting, but, I'm not a spiritual bat, unlike u, I dont rely on preconceived (false notions), to disregard anything which eludes the reach of my 3pound brain in order 2 compensate 4 my lack of spiritual discernment. If I were u(thank God I'm not), I'd hav visited one of his healing meetings, to get 1st hand experience of his "quakery", before starting a blog based on your ignorance and apparent inability 2 c let alone apprehend anything which exists outside of your 5 senses. You are not wise, plus u lack originality. U say Kobus' miracles are fake nd yet it's evident in your writings that you'v never even met enough people who'v been 2 his meetings 2 substantiate your false claims. Having said that, where's your solid proof 2 show that he's been using the placebo effect 2 cure ailments, or that no lame person has ever been healed at his meetings? In your head? Btw, I'v seen friends and relatives get healed through prayer.

2010 October 26 at 15:06 by Ginny Morkel

Auke,your comments on money & healing powers show just how ignorant you are concerning the Word of God, but don't despair, we were all as ignorant before we met this absolute wonderful man of God, & before we had an encounter with Jesus Christ. By the way, Kobus van Rensburg has never claimed to do "magic".

Two questions; 1) do you actually eat with that filthy mouth of yours? 2) do you really believe that spirit filled christians & pastors fret over YOUR opinion of them? Shame, you poor & pathetic thing, MAY GOD FORGIVE YOU & OPEN YOUR EYES. (& BRAINS!) GINNY MORKEL

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2011 January 10 at 13:29 by Martin

Oh boy!

Auke, you're going to burn in hell for all eternity - Ginny's going to ensure that you do 'cause she's an uber christian and will tell her loving, merciful god to burn your ass forever.

They're a tight group, these charitable, loving, merciful, forgiving christians, so don't mess with them.

2011 January 15 at 22:24 by Ndileka

I'm sorry but you're so clueless. Shame, livin in a world consumed wit jus science and no God. You're educated? Doesn't seem so to me coz you have absolutely no idea what you talkin about. You say Kobus is makin cash? Have you seen his bank account? You know how many cars, money and lots of other stuff he gives away? He gave away his Jaguar, only 3 of them in south africa. He's not consumed by worldly stuff like you say he is. You don even know him. Stop talkin like you're best friends. You know the staff that works on the channel, school and church? Yea, they live on his property for free. They don't even have to pay for food. When they go on trips they don't even pay. You know if hasn't received a salary in years? Coz he blesses other people and churches with his money? No! You don know that because you busy writtin rubbish about something you don't know. Money making scheme? Lol, pathetic. You puttin science above God so yep, you'll think its magic. The Bible is not some story book, its the Living Word. U practice whats in the Bible, and thats what He does. And stop quoting Scriptures out of context, makes you seem more stupid. Coz then you really sound clueless. Ha ha ha ha. You're a mockery. People gettin paid to get healed? You're the antichrist. Bless you!! You've just proved how much nonsense the internet can cook up about someone.

2011 January 17 at 08:34 by Chris

I'm impressed: the abbreviation "you're" was the most accurate English in the whole diatribe. Not quite redemption, but it leaves room for a glimmer of hope. The only intelligible part was the apparently self-referential final sentence.

2011 February 18 at 07:06 by Rev. Timothy

A young lady who I pastor just returned from Spirit Word's Bible School. She was verbally abused and physically beaten up by AnnaLise, Kobus van Rensburg's wife. This abuse needs exposed. Annalise needs help and both of them should step down from ministry for this. Other reports from the Bible School are horrifying and and embarrassment to Christian Ministry.

2011 February 25 at 23:55 by Ndileka

Ha ha ha. You talkin about that skinny girl from singapore? You have no idea what that girl did here. ALL her roommates wanted her gone because she made life so difficult for them. Then she had the nerve to hit Annelise. So, she started all that rubbish. And y should they step down in ministry for u?! Lol, crazy

2011 April 27 at 05:07 by Taban Arabi Tagiya

Hi man of God, i have saffer a lot with stomach problems since 1992 up to now i met a lots of Doctors but they did nothing, and i have faith if yuo just pray for me i will get heal, Please man of God can yuo pray for me.

2011 April 30 at 13:29 by Bontle

Rev Timothy pls stop talking like that about a man of God if you say that you a Rev then y say their should step down from their ministry how would you feel if some told u to step down from ur ministry after healing thounds of people and u knw wat if u talking about that girl from singapore that girl ws ludacris she is indeed crazy how does a 18 year old beat up a 50 year old woman and u say they mst investigate thats nonsense maybe you should hear annelise's side or u knw what no need cause she dont have time to intertain such. hahahaha lol Ndileka baby girl dont stress about these people i jst have one q? for you how many miracles have you witnessed dnt come here like you knw prophet kobus get a life and start respecting the man of God and if u do say that he pays those people to fake or say that he makes cash out of the ministry then may our good lord forgive for u knw nt what you say and bless you very much.Ndileka thanx for backing the wonderful man of God on THIS NONSENSE THEY TRYING TO PULL ON HIM AND GUESS WAT HE IS STILL REACHING OUT TO MILLIONS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT APPRECIATE WAT THE MAN OF GOD IS DOING BT ANYHU THANX

2011 June 18 at 06:17 by Jorge

It is no use continuing any blog like this. Everyone is sitting on their cushy couch commenting on what is real and what is not. Believers against unbelievers! Why not just go there to prove for yourselves if it is real or not, and then write? Do a proper investigation and analysis, not just to depend on your intellect and logical reasoning from one service or two. Speak to people that are sick and get proof from their doctors, wait the service out and check with them afterwards. If they have parents or friends with them, question them. Get their contact details and phone them after a month or so, and if they are still healed then you will know the truth.

Wisdom says that you have to listen to both sides of the story before making conclusions. Many people lie because they do not get what they want out of a ministry and even out of a business. Businesses and ministries lie too.

I CANNOT COMPREHEND HOW PEOPLE CONTINUE HAMMERING ONE ANOTHER WITHOUT REAL UNDERSTANDING. NATURAL WISDOM COMES FROM PROVING THINGS, NOT DEBATING THEM. IF THEN YOU PROVE TO YOURSELVES WHAT YOU DID NOT BELIEVE BEFORE, THEN BELIEVE IN THE WORD OF GOD WITHOUT QUESTION WHICH MIGHT LEAD YOU TO SPIRITUAL WISDOM.

2011 June 23 at 03:57 by Chris

"By Jorge", I thought he'd got it! We would love to have proof and stop teh arguments. Pity to blow it all in the last sentence.

2011 July 15 at 11:01 by linda lubbe

You doubt miracles and healing from God. Without throwing stones, I cannot trust you, because somebody who is so sure about himself, to gain creditability, will make sure of spelling. PROPHET Kobus. Yes, with you I pray that you will never get so sick. And then I invite you to a meeting. Just let me know, you can go with me. And then, before you judge further, experience God yourself.

2011 July 28 at 05:18 by Bubbu

It is silly to talk to someone not willing to think or to hear. As for me I testify to God´s healing power through my life. Because of football (soccer) I had bad knees since 1983, where Dr.´s told me I should undergo a surgery. I knew, that I was asked by God to leave my soccer club and join his missionary band. To make it short. I listened to the voice of God about 15 years later and got healed. 2 people prayed over me when I wasn´t able to walk and like gloves something moved over my knees and I knew, I was healed. Since it is now 13 years ago I am still walking without pain, without having to undergo a surgery and walking the missionary way. I too have been granted to pray for other people and God healed them. It is not me but God by the name of Jesus heals until now. If people receive back their former trouble, it is because they do not meet the conditions. For me - not to play soccer anymore to get my name honored - , but to walk for him to the unreached nations. There is a cloud of witnesses in the world. If you won`t believe them, don`t believe me. Even the dead could be raised in front of your eyes, you would still doubt it. Read the New Testament, where Jesus talks about Lazarus and the rich man.

2011 July 29 at 05:05 by C

"If people receive back their former trouble, it is because they do not meet the conditions." What a cop-out. If things get better, then it is "His" work. If they get worse, well you were just not worthy. Or maybe the Devild did it.

2011 October 08 at 15:09 by Pierre

This is a really long debate seemingly on healing. I have one question. In all of the healing crusades, services, etc., has there been one genuine, documented case of a severed or amputated limb growing back? I mean an arm or leg that was totally severed from the body, and now growing back at one of these healing events?

2011 October 22 at 16:32 by Tazered

not that i can recall but numerious accounts of one leg a bit shorter than the other miraculously corrected.

2011 October 22 at 16:56 by Tazered

That last message was actually a reply to Pierre clicked, on the wrong function.

I Don't think Kobus and co. is all out for the money, just having wealth is nothing compared to having a great amount of followers and and maybe later even polical power even if it would have to be surreptitious. Just bagging everything will raise questions. So with a alot of the money he gains from his religious dogma and "miracles" he invests in facilities for further augmentation and hand-down gifts so that his flock feels content.

2011 October 24 at 06:59 by Taban

All that are happen in the hand of prophet kobus is really by God, may God do alot of things throiugh him so that people must come to christ because alot of people are beleiving in the miracle than the word. My God bless you man of God.

2011 October 28 at 12:30 by pierre

I notice that I have not had a coherent reply to my previous post. So let me try again, but in slightly stronger terms. I challenge all faith healers (or their adherents),to supply me with the detail of a single documented case of a missing or severed limb having grown back. Please, I am not talking about an extension of an existing limb. Apparently half the population of Rwanda had their arms/hands hacked off during the last skirmish in that part of the world, so there should be no shortage of potential miracle healings. So please mr prophet/healer/miracle maker, show me just one!

2011 November 28 at 12:02 by Trudie

Kobus is still a very sick man despite what he tells his congregation! He is not healed and I do know it for a fact! Kobus, for once speak the truth and tell your people and followers. Why be quiet? And as far as the people working there, I know that there salaries is bad bad bad! The only people around who is allowed to have lots of money is Kobus, Annelise and their own brood! The rest are lead to believe that they have enough.

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2011 December 16 at 01:25 by Francis T

I enjoyed the debate wow. Fire works indeed. Auke, you are amazing. But I would urge that you be fair minded. Your scientific reasoning will not have all the answers of life. To my brothers and sisters in the pentecostal world, be careful lest you be deceived. Its either TB Joshua, Emmanuel Makandiwa, Pastor Chris, Benny Henny, Bonke, Kenneth Koppeland, the list is endless and circling the Globe. Its all a big fraud and many are falling for it.

2011 December 22 at 00:00 by Pieter

It is such a pity that people can spend so much of their energy to fight a so called fraud!!! All that I can say is this. Spiritual things can only be grasped by spiritual people. If you measure in the flesh, with your carnal mind, you will always miss it and you will conclude that the things of God, the works of faith is fraud. There are so many other weird thing out there. Islam does strange things, the Hindu's not to mention all the other beliefs and religions. Funny how people acting in the name of Christ is always singled out. The truth hurts. I too was very critical of Kobus van Rensburg in past. But after I have seen another critical individual receive their healing in his meeting I was silenced. I pray that you and your friends at http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/11/06/what-a-tragedy-prophet-kobus-van-rensburg/ will come to know Christ personally. Look beyond religion and get into a real relationship. Discover the Jesus who actually said that we will do greater works than what HE did. The Jesus who said, by faith you will see miracles. If you can use the words miracles and magic in the same sentence, you have a lot to discover my dear friends.

2012 January 03 at 00:49 by Francis T

If someone believes they have fathered a child with a woman, registering that child with a gvt under their name, ignoring all other men out there THATS ARROGANCE. If some one continue wishing that God did not exist whereas they are the evidence that the God they deny exists THAT ARROGANCE.

2012 January 10 at 08:32 by C

FT:

"His is merciful gracious and abounds in goodness. " Hmm. The Old Testiment is full of massacres, torture and genocide, perpetrated (according to the scriptures) by his command. And all this gracious goodness somehow did not protect the innocent victims of the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition. Is suffering for your faith a manifestation of his mercy? All very strange.

"I expected you to curse me. I'm sorry if I wronged you." Um, the dictionary tell sus that curse = an appeal to some supernatural power to inflict evil on someone or some group. That seems more your mode than Auke's. He merely gave an opinion on behaviours and attitudes. Accusing him of cursing you clearly is wronging him, but had you paused for reflection before sending your comment, it would not have been necessary to apologise.

"Now my research on people like you is complete. I got all the answers now." Ah, this must be what they call Divine Inspiration? But if you have completed your task, then why follow up with your lasst indescribably strange and unfathomable commentary.

2012 January 25 at 01:28 by Babra

Shame on you. The fool said in their heart there is no God.So you are fools. Mapenzi chaiwo. Ndosaka muchida kuti varume varoorane. "That's why you promote same sex marriages", and call it sexual orientation and human rights. You call sin right and right sin. You mix up truth and error. Because of your belief that man evolved from whatever you teach, a thing which only reveal how crazy you are with your knowledge.

2012 January 25 at 05:26 by Tounges

A tongue is a language spoken in a known locality by a specific group of people, not the modern day gibberish they utter in these ministries all over the world.

2012 January 25 at 05:46 by "Evolutionist'

I read a comment above suggesting that "morality" is an opinion. I guess I read well. If morality is an opinion as is suggested, then its OK to rape, kill, rob, loot, highjack, murder,as long as one feels its alright to do so. Then the police have no right to arrest me if I commit any of those "immoral acts" as long as I have reason enough to commit them. If there is nothing absolute in matters of right and wrong then Hitler must be the greatest man ever to live because he exercised his right to to whatever was right in his own eyes to the maximum. Meaning to say those who hunted for him were crazy moralists bent on disturbing others peace, forcing them to swallow their religion down the throat. Mr Auke, learned as you are, you need to wake up and realize that the path you have taken against God is leading you nowhere. I know you will come hard on this one with all your scientific jargon; no problem, but you are doing this to nobody's good but your own ruin. I don't have to evangelize you for you all ready believe in God but you are pretending as though you don't, maybe you are afraid that you Professors at University will strip you of all those degrees you labored for all those years. You are ashamed to believe in something unscientific. Please reconsider and return to your creator

2012 January 26 at 09:16 by Edward Foster

Dear anonymous, I suppose a combination of god and Profit vRb might be able to do something about scrutinizing pains as in your wife's case. I wouldn't know as I have never had one of those myself only the excruciating ones and I found my GP and a reputable painkiller were quite effective for them.

2012 January 27 at 01:16 by C

Babra, I am sure if you read your Bible correctly you will discover two very stern warnings on behaviour. They are: "judge not lest you yourself be judged" and "call no man a fool". My understanding is that they are considered sins. From your writing, you appear to be doing both quite blatantly - not in private, but before the entire world.

Therefore I am confused. Either you are so spiritually elevated that in your vaunted position you are above the scriptures and can make these statements with utter knowledge and impunity (in which case you really should know better)... or, you consider the gospel to be the one single and absolute truth (in which case you have just damned yourself through your utterances).

Please enlighten: which is it?

2012 February 02 at 03:51 by "Evolutionist'

"Believe that God tells you how to live your life? That's opinion".

Copied this from your reply to Francis T.

If I misquoted you then sorry mr. know it all. Its easy to know what you believe in because of all you write in this blog. By just reading what you write mr. auke. Can't you see you are exposing yourself. You labor tirelessly to pretend that there is no God. Sorry for you. But you cant do anything to prove God dose not exist. Its painful reality, but you vainly try to free yourself from the fact that God is there. Cant really tell how you feel. Can only imagine the pain of vainly trying to disbelieve.

2012 February 02 at 03:55 by "Evolutionist'

So the whole debate has got nothing to do with whether Van Rensburg is genuine or not but rather question the existance of God. Khunzima bantu

2012 February 03 at 01:08 by "Evolutionist'

Someone is getting desperate here.

2012 February 06 at 04:00 by Evolusionist

2Pe 3:3-12 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

2012 February 07 at 04:15 by C

Hmm. Francis T says "CREATED IN SIX LITERAL 24HR DAYS" (apparently capital letters make it real).

And now Evolusionist quotes "one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day". (All in lower case, so I suppose it cannot be as credible. Though he does seem to obliquely side with the scientists about the Sun eventually turning into a red giant and engulfing the Earth.)

How do you two reconcile your different understandings of time?

2012 February 26 at 07:11 by Andre van Biljon

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with [them], and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

NOTE: Jesus still heals!

2012 March 24 at 05:10 by Andre

Dear Auke. I scanned thru a few of the comments that has been made. I find it interresting how passionately people on both sides of this conversation take a stance for something they believe in,and on the other side for what they believe is false. Both must have reasons,but neither are proving a point. I'm on the side of thode that believe,but must admit that some of them are clueless about what they believe in,hence all the judging,I agree a lot with what Jaco have to say. My question to you is,why so passionately attack something that is so false,history shows that no institution,government or person can get away with something so wrong (false or unfair) forever,somewhere along the line they get exposed or someone becomes fedup with them and attack and then destroy them. It seems to me that since the day of the apostles(who claimed to do the same as guys like Kobus do),christianity has been the most hated and also the most loved institution(scam) in the world,and even though many has tried,none could come close to destroying it. It is simple,God's word says that non christian will not understand christianity,it even says it is foolishness to them. So I anderstand that you don't understand it,and I won't judge you for that.Yes as christians we do make mistakes,way to many mistakes,a lot of us are ignorant as you say,but mark my words,and please contact me when it comes to pass,we will mature,we will become more like our God and we will change the world for the better,we will be the only answer to the world's problems. I pray that your eyes will be enlightened so that you will see the truth. Forgive me if I have misunderstood what you have been trying to say,in only answering according to what I have briefly read. Also please excuse my grammar,I know it is terrible,not english speaking. I am not offended by anything you have to say about my God or His people,just want you to know that He loves you very much. Blessings!

2012 March 24 at 05:18 by Andre

Dear Auke. I scanned thru a few of the comments that has been made. I find it interresting how passionately people on both sides of this conversation take a stance for something they believe in,and on the other side for what they believe is false. Both must have reasons,but neither are proving a point. I'm on the side of thode that believe,but must admit that some of them are clueless about what they believe in,hence all the judging,I agree a lot with what Jaco have to say. My question to you is,why so passionately attack something that is so false,history shows that no institution,government or person can get away with something so wrong (false or unfair) forever,somewhere along the line they get exposed or someone becomes fedup with them and attack and then destroy them. It seems to me that since the day of the apostles(who claimed to do the same as guys like Kobus do),christianity has been the most hated and also the most loved institution(scam) in the world,and even though many has tried,none could come close to destroying it. It is simple,God's word says that non christian will not understand christianity,it even says it is foolishness to them. So I anderstand that you don't understand it,and I won't judge you for that.Yes as christians we do make mistakes,way to many mistakes,a lot of us are ignorant as you say,but mark my words,and please contact me when it comes to pass,we will mature,we will become more like our God and we will change the world for the better,we will be the only answer to the world's problems. I pray that your eyes will be enlightened so that you will see the truth. Forgive me if I have misunderstood what you have been trying to say,in only answering according to what I have briefly read. Also please excuse my grammar,I know it is terrible,not english speaking. I am not offended by anything you have to say about my God or His people,just want you to know that He loves you very much. Blessings!

2012 March 27 at 00:07 by C

Andre, since your last post is clearly an attempt to be reasonable, you may find it interesting to research and consider the interesting phenomenon of memes. Just Google "meme" or "memetics". The best memes involve ways of reinforcing themselves - something long-standing religions clearly do well.

If you believe that being human (irrespective of whether some supreme being or any other mechanism created us) innately imbues us with intellect and reason, and that to be a good human implies using these properties, then you owe it to yourself to consider this subject very seriously.

In the end, all people are free to believe whatever makes them happy, irrespective of whether or not it is rational. How they act on their beliefs is another thing entirely. Some of us consider evangelicism to be overstepping the line, while making fraudulent claims in order to prey on the gullible is egregious

in the extreme.

2012 March 27 at 01:57 by andre s (not van biljon)

In no way am I trying to be reasonable,that would be a very weak attempt to get you to even come close to hear me out. Yes yes nowdays we all have rights,freedom to express what we believe in. In no way do I believe what I believe because somebody gives me the right to,therefore I don't care if someone has a problem with what I believe in,I don't need them to give me the freedom to believe and express what I believe or their approval,just like you don't need my approval to believe what you believe,or to even attack my belief system.You believe what you believe based on facts,things that the human being can see and understand,and from that you gather your belief system. Then you get me,us,the christans,and because we believe in something that doesn't fit into your understanding or belief system you say that we are frauds,because we don't fit into your understanding of things,we believe in things you don't understand,and that must really annoy you hey,to the point that you publicly attack what we believe in. So waht do you think you are going to accomplish by doing that? There have been guys who has done far more than you to "expose" us,sadly for them with no lasting effect. So you can hit back with your fancy cleverly devised arguments that comes from your understanding and all you will do is sound clever,there will be no results,exept for yor friends in your clique that will believe you.However we will continue to see results in what we do.so carry on doing what you are doing,try your best to bring damage thru your understanding to something that you don't understand.So I will leave you with one last thing. Psalm 2:1-12. Why do the nations rage,and the peoples plot in vain? The kings of the earth set themselves,and the rulers take counsel together,against the Lord and against His anointed,saying,"let us burst their bonds apart and cast away their cords from us".He who sits in the heavens laughs;the Lord holds them in derision.Then He will speak to them in His wrath,and terrify them in His fury,saying,"as for me,I have set my king on Zion,my Holy hill".I will tell of the decree:The Lord said to me,"you are my son;today I have begotten you. Ask of me,and I will make the nations your heritage,and the ends of the earth your possession.You shall brek them with a rod of iron and dash them to pieces like a potters vessel".Now therefore,o kings,be wise;be warned,o rulers of the earth.Serve the Lord with fear,and rejoice with trembling.Kiss the son,lest he be angry,and you perish in the way,for his wrath is quickly kindled.Blessed are all who take refuge in Him....- So,do what you have to do,we are not intimidated,as you just heard we knew attacks like this would come and we are promised the victory.Thank you for giving me the chance to put the truth out there,regardless of whether you believe it or not. Have a great day,looking forward to another clever reply from you! God bless you Auke!

2012 March 27 at 04:55 by C

Such a long reply from someone who just skims. You could have saved a lot of typing by actually paying attention. Nevertheless, I will stand corrected - you are indeed not being reasonable. My apologies for misinterpreting your earlier message. It was nice to know that you, magnanimously, would not judge me (good, because according to the scriptures from which you are so fond of quoting, it is sinful to judge others). Yet your last message does seem awfully judgemental.

Go back and read; nowhere did I say that the right to believe something is given by others. We are all innately free to believe whatever we want. However, you do need other people to allow you to say your bit in forums like this: Auke is not obliged to let you post here, yet he even allows your repeat postings. It was however kind of you to thank him for that (even if such thanks are at odds with what you said earlier in your diatribe).

It is also necessary to make a clear distinction. You wrote "because we believe in something that doesn't fit into your understanding or belief system you say that we are frauds", but that simply is not true. We don't call you a fraud for your beliefs. We do call van Rensburg a fraud for promising what he cannot deliver and taking people's money for that.

What annoys us is not that you choose to "believe something we cannot understand", but that you are driven to seek us out and spout drivel in the expectation that it will endear us to your cause.

Why do you consider our exchange a personal attack? We are not the ones fomenting violence (as in, "break them with a rod of iron and dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel"). One only has to look at the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition to see which group is particularly prone to perpetrating vicious attacks on the innocent. Are you not ashamed to be part of such a movement?

2012 March 27 at 05:52 by Anonymous

Thank you for taking time to reply.Like I said,you do not understand us,and the more you speak the more I am proving my point,you don't understand a person like van rensburg,you think you do,you think you see right thru his "schemes".The truth is you don't,nobody is forcing you or anyone else for that matter to convert to van rensburg's ways,the people thet go there go out of free will.You don't have to go there,so why go out of your way to expose him,so I ask you again,what do you think you are reaching by attacking him (verbally). Yes you are atacking him,we are the ones reacting. Maybe you should read what I have said again,nowhere did I say that you said the right to believe is given by others,I was simply stating a point,and that is true,people have the right to believe what the want,it is the government that gives them the right,the point I'm trying to make is this,will people still believe what the believe if the right to believe what they want to is taken away? Anyway that is besides the point. You took my" beloved" scripture litteral,more proof that you don't understand.it is also clear that you don't understand what it means to be judged,and I'm not judging you,my aim is not to tell you that you are doomed if you don't believe the way I do,I just want to know what you think you are going to accomplish by exposing van rensburg,from what I hear his ministry is just growing.Anyway,I can see that you are not open to discussion but rather to prove your point. The thing is,how much more will van rensburg and people like him reach than you,yours is a feeble attempt copared to the acts of a Godly man. Thank you again for letting me say my say and not kicking me out of this chat. I have said what I needed to say so I'm out of here.

2012 March 27 at 06:09 by andre s (not van biljon)

That was very funny I must say! Have fun with the exposing bussiness,and thank you in advance again,just saved you some time again.

2012 March 27 at 11:43 by C

No, the government does NOT give people the right to believe what they want. It is an innate property of being human. If the government had their way, we would be believing their lies.

2012 March 27 at 12:12 by andre s

I don't know what you are trying to say,of course the government gives people the right,they cannot force you to believe or not to believe in something,but they can force you not to express yourself,like they did with the homosexuals,and right now they give just about anybody the right to express themselves about anything they believe.

2012 March 29 at 01:12 by C

It's a semantic issue. Governments can - and to some extent are successful in their attempts to - control our actions and even our thoughts. Our constitution formally recognises our right to practice our religion of choice - within limits. If your religion involved (to take an extre case) human sactifice, then (even if the victim were a willing participant) you would be acting outside the law.

But no person, and no government, can give (or take away) our right to BELIEVE in whatever we choose. They can claim to, and they might well try their best to, but the fact is that a property of being human is that we are able to think - and therefore to choose for ourselves whatever we wish to believe in.

As individuals we can also abdicate our responsibility to think for ourselves, and simply accept whatever others tell us we "should" be thinking/believing. Sometimes this abdication is a conscious decision, for others there may be subtle issues that make them more susceptable to persuasion. We are all subject to external influences - how we respond is the crux.

2012 April 03 at 01:31 by Anonymous

I used to work at this church, I feel sorry for all the people who fall for this scam, enriching Kobus and his family. [Remark about a family member removed - AS] ... and that is just the start of the mirk in that place.

2012 April 04 at 01:05 by Anonymous

He is selling a scam and stealing peoples money, finished. I worked in the editing department, the people there do not get healed, they make a mockery out of them, people dying of cancer go there pay money to get prayed for and go home the same, with false hope. Then Kobus Van Rensburg uses that money to get chemo for himself, provide medical attention to his sons who suffer due to their days of drug abuse. Seriously if you think in your right mind that what is happening there is right, then you are sick in your head.

2012 April 04 at 03:12 by C

Indeed. And the fraud is all the more despicable because it deliberately targets those in desperate situations.

2012 April 04 at 03:15 by Anonymous

Thank you

2012 April 04 at 07:24 by Anonymous

Yeah, a lot of people do not know what is going on there, I really hope people will open their eyes to the truth, I am an atheist today, to me what makes logically sense is better than to reason things out in a way that manipulates others for personal gain. I hope that in our evolutionary progression as human beings we flush out religion within my life time, the world would be a better place.

2012 April 17 at 02:04 by Anonymous

Auke, we tend to believe only the things that we experience ourselves. We I believe that we have all had an experience which we should consider re: God eternal life etc. Before we were born, we knew nothing of this world…obviously.

Before we were born, life was happening on earth, people were living, loving, dying, making love, making war etc all without our knowledge or approval! Then, suddenly, or so it seems we are here. We are part of this world we knew nothing of. So, this is an experience we have all had. To come from a place of not knowing to being part of this / a world.

So, why do we think that heaven, hell, eternal life and God does not exist just because we cannot see Him or meet or touch Him. Why does what God promises namely heaven, eternal life, now need our approval or our knowledge of it to be real. We have all experienced coming from a place of not knowing to now being part of. Once again we know nothing of what is to come, and soon we will be part of it. I believe that all people have eternal life. It is just where we will spend it that gets decided here in this life. Don’t even bother to understand spiritual things, it aint going to happen. Man is made up of body soul and spirit. The spirit of an unbeliever is dormant / dead until he accepts Christ as his saviour. Only then will you understand spiritual things. Cliché….I would rather live believing that there is a God, and die and find out that there is no God. Than to live believing that is no God, and to die only to find that there is a God.

I enjoy Kobus’s teachings, he backs up his teachings with scripture. But, Kobus is not the standard by which we gauge whether there is or isn’t a God. I believe that the bible is the oldest, most reliable written record of human history…..and our future. I don’t necessarily believe everything that other Christians say and do. Do yourself a favour get the movie the Daniel Project. It is an unbeliever’s look at, and test of Bible prophesies. I have a personal relationship with God, as all Christians do and that is what you are not able to understand…because your spirit is dead.

peter p

2012 April 17 at 03:56 by Anonymous

BE VERY OFFENDED

When someone tries to sell you their delusions

When they say you cant have morals without religion

When someone does not hold others to their level because of an Iron Age book

When they refuse to understand why faith can be harmful

When they oppress other because of their imaginary 'god'

When they tell you, you need an invisible friend to be complete

When they refuse to see the flaws in their book which condones human sacrifice, murder, slavery, genocide and rape

When they actively choose to live in a delusion rather than reality

When they make hypocritical laws and claim not to be free and not religious to control others

IT IS NECESSARY FOR HUMAN SURVIVAL TO OFFEND DELUSIONAL RELIGIOUS NUTCASES

2012 April 17 at 08:21 by C

Let's say you are an honest, upright, devout Christian... then surely by the very tenets of your religion you would abhor all manner of behaviours such as murder, rape, assault, theft, embezzelment, fraud. Surely any normal person would?

There are all manner of individuals out there whose presence we condone, even though they are self-serving theives and con-men. Prominent among them are people in positions of power, authority and status, e.g. politicians, ...

There are good, honest people in this world. And then there are the predators. What better way for a predator to get close to his prey than to work his way into a position of trust? Just a paedophiles are prone to working their way into positions that put them in contact with children, so corrupt people are drawn to positions of power and influence - be it in a formal system such as government and the Church, or in informal groups. They make promises and tell people what the people want to hear, in order to get gullible people to do their bidding one way or another. It is the human way. But it does not make it right. If their misdeeds are recognised and made public, reasonable people (should) call for them to be deposed, punished, effect restitution, etc.

Now, if you took your car to the repair centre and was told it needed new main bearings, money was extracted, the job was ostensibly done - and then the car seized because the promises were not upheld, you would be justifiably upset. You would likely want your money back at the very least. You would probably want compensation for the consequential damage. Just as you would want punitive damages if you were assaulted. You wouldnt tell yourself that the mechanic was so virtuous he must be right and therefore your car is also OK - even though it demonstrably is not.

So why should someone purporting to be a miracle healer be treated any differently from an embezzler? Why should the ongoing suffering of someone who puts his faith in a fraudster be ignored, even as his condition worsens through eschewing proper medical attention? Possible answers: Because people are unwilling to admit (even to themselves) that they were wrong in trusting the scammer. Because people WANT to believe what they are being told. Because people are desparate for healing, salvation, whatever.

In the end, there is no good reason to condone it. Doctors get sued for malpractice. Unlicenced practictioners are arrested. See Profit K for what he is, a charlatan who is operating fraudulently and ultimately harming people. Standing up for him because you believe that you and he believe the same things is not only ignoring reality, but aiding and abetting criminal behaviour. It's not virtuous, it is stupid and irresponsible.

End of rant.

2012 April 17 at 08:22 by C

Let's say you are an honest, upright, devout Christian... then surely by the very tenets of your religion you would abhor all manner of behaviours such as murder, rape, assault, theft, embezzelment, fraud. Surely any normal person would?

There are all manner of individuals out there whose presence we condone, even though they are self-serving theives and con-men. Prominent among them are people in positions of power, authority and status, e.g. politicians, ...

There are good, honest people in this world. And then there are the predators. What better way for a predator to get close to his prey than to work his way into a position of trust? Just a paedophiles are prone to working their way into positions that put them in contact with children, so corrupt people are drawn to positions of power and influence - be it in a formal system such as government and the Church, or in informal groups. They make promises and tell people what the people want to hear, in order to get gullible people to do their bidding one way or another. It is the human way. But it does not make it right. If their misdeeds are recognised and made public, reasonable people (should) call for them to be deposed, punished, effect restitution, etc.

Now, if you took your car to the repair centre and was told it needed new main bearings, money was extracted, the job was ostensibly done - and then the car seized because the promises were not upheld, you would be justifiably upset. You would likely want your money back at the very least. You would probably want compensation for the consequential damage. Just as you would want punitive damages if you were assaulted. You wouldnt tell yourself that the mechanic was so virtuous he must be right and therefore your car is also OK - even though it demonstrably is not.

So why should someone purporting to be a miracle healer be treated any differently from an embezzler? Why should the ongoing suffering of someone who puts his faith in a fraudster be ignored, even as his condition worsens through eschewing proper medical attention? Possible answers: Because people are unwilling to admit (even to themselves) that they were wrong in trusting the scammer. Because people WANT to believe what they are being told. Because people are desparate for healing, salvation, whatever.

In the end, there is no good reason to condone it. Doctors get sued for malpractice. Unlicenced practictioners are arrested. See Profit K for what he is, a charlatan who is operating fraudulently and ultimately harming people. Standing up for him because you believe that you and he believe the same things is not only ignoring reality, but aiding and abetting criminal behaviour. It's not virtuous, it is stupid and irresponsible.

End of rant.

2012 April 23 at 14:53 by anon

Your an idiot! If you have something to say about someone at least spell his name correctly! It is Prophet Kobus van Rensburg not profit - DUMB ASS!!! You may not believe in God but one day you will and the it will be to late...

2012 April 24 at 00:33 by SATAN

I will grab your god by his beard and decapitate him, then I will turn to you and rip all the evil out of your hypocritical 'innocent' soul

2012 April 27 at 00:39 by DUMB ASS

Sorry Anon, I did not realise that "Prophet" was actually the man's first name. Thanks for the correction. We shall however continue to use our favorite nickname for him (Profit), because his antics must surely be endearing him to "Old Nick" himself. If you cannot unravel the previous sentence, please don't ask me to explain. I simply cannot dumb it down to your level, because I am afraid of heights.

2012 May 09 at 02:26 by Edward Foster

I think it is about time the owner of this website laid claim to some of Profit's hard earned profits. After all, this whole discussion/rant/whatever must surely be advertising and, we all know, advertising is expensive. A shrewd but honest - and Christian to boot - businessman, which Profit obviously is, will surely see that paying for services rendered (i.e. advertising) is the right thing to do.

2012 May 11 at 11:57 by anon

Seeing that you are now trying to educate me, please explain your religion or lack there of to me.... It doesn't make sense to me that you spend all this time and effort on these silly accusations about Prophet Kobus and yet, do not believe....How can you challenge something that you don't believe in?

2012 May 12 at 02:32 by Anonymous

Anon, I am sure you suffer from some form of retardation, challenging something that you don't believe in does not make you susceptible to it. This conclusion is as valid as your religion. Maybe that is why you believe the shit you do.

2012 May 12 at 14:09 by C

Anon, perhaps you need to keep trying. I hope you will eventually succeed in actually reading the Wikipedia entries mentioned above (which you claim to have looked at), and be able to assimilate the information therein. Meanwhile, I suspect my vertigo is spreading through the community, a consequence of exposure to your inanities.

2012 June 24 at 04:01 by Francois

What is the difference between you and kobus van rensburg? i believe nothing

2012 July 06 at 12:43 by Anna

I've read all of the above. I had a problem with this man, Kobus, since 2006. I'm a Christian, believe in miracles (experienced miracles in my own life). I've watched several of his words, healing, but was totally put of by him. As my mother and family in law believed in him, I tried to convince myself-until one night, I asked God to give me an answer- I've opened the Bible, and right there, 2 Petr 2:1-3, was my answer, False Prophet, preech the word of God, to enrich himself. It might be that he have healing powers, BUT if he does, he do it to enrich himself. He could not heal my mother in law from cancer, although she went there about 3 times before she died-unfortunately, she was so overwhelmed by his charisma that she did not want to believe he is false. The music in that church is bad-sounds like druggy music in a bad disco! He preeches about money the entire time, you must give and IT will be given to you and forget that God do not refer to money in the Bible, but love. People that believe this man Kobus, I wish your eyes will be opened by the God.

2012 September 19 at 10:10 by Ryno

Hi all.I have been listening to some of Kobus teachings, good and learned alot. You really have to know and studied the scriptures for him not to deceive you,he's is good.Picked up alot of false teachings. The Bible states clearly,"John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me". Many a true word is spoken in just.Today 19 Sept 2012,Kobus said "I have cast out a few demons that haven't even been created yet",when he realised what he said, he said "ahh forget it,let's carry on.." If he is realy used by God,to heal people, WHY CAN HE NOT HEAL HIMSELF!!!!!!

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